panzerrob Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Dear all, I have 2 questions regarding the above mentioned airplanes. The first one is about the Harrier, as used in the Falkland war. Which kit is the best, the Trumpeter Harrier GR7, or the older Revell Harrier Jump jet? Or is it better to use the Harrier AV8B kits with a conversion? The other one is about Hasegawa's F18 Hornet. I have this kit and I don't like the decal options in it, the gold/blue decal sheet. It looks like a prototype aircraft, not a production aircraft. Do any detail sets exist to turn this kit in a more "production" aircraft? I do have some F4dable decal sheets and I like to make a Spanish, Finnish or Swiss Hornet. With regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) or the Airfix 1/24 one. And don't forget the "Watch your rear, the Navies here" in their Sea Harriers Edited June 14, 2016 by TonyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 And if you want to do an excellent Diorama, Sod Off Argies is the one Daniel Leduc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Paragon or someone did a conversion to make the Hasegawa Hornet into a production bird, but I think it was only to make it an early A. The ones on the F4dable sheet are all late C models IIRC. The Trumpeter Harriers are all second Generation AV-8B models, very different from the first gen Harriers used in the Falklands. I don't think there is a conversion to backdate the kits and it would be a lot of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The old Revell 1/32 kit isn't actually a GR1 or AV-8A, but a Harrier P1127 RAF, which was a development step between the Kestrel and the production Harrier. As such the intakes, forward nozzle shrouds - and possibly the wing leading edge/fences/vortex generators (I'm not near my refs at the moment) all need to be modified to standard. By the time of the Falklands all the RAF's operational Harriers were LRMTS equipped with the 'dolphin' noses, and the tall fins with forward facing RWR receivers on the leading edge, and a rearward facing one on the aft of the tailcone. A conversion is certainly possible, but it would be nice to see the first gen Harrier family receive some quality attention. It'd also be nice to see someone kick Trumpeter's Travesties of the second generation into touch too. Harold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta 14 addict Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Trumpy, Kitty Hawk, HK or others.................1/32 Harrier GR.Mk.3 Greetz Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnarg Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'd like the Sea Harrier from that southern conflict and GR-3's from Belize, too. They would pull me away from the pre-1940's interests that pretty much dominate everything I go after. Tnarg Harold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 It would be an interesting indicator of the research quality of whoever stepped up to the GR3 plate, to see if they included the standard 2-tier SNEB rocket pods habitually carried by Harriers in Europe AND the 3-tier RN rocket pods carried exclusively from the carriers in the Falklands war. Plus the latter would be handy for the HKM FAA Spey Phantom and any Buccaneer that might happen along,sometime in the far distant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnarg Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I was in Guatemala in the mid 70's when they kept saying "Belize es nuestro", and had some T-33's to back that up against those Harriers. That, and some "Mirages in a secret underground airbase under Mazatenango" ... along with those UFO's from Roswell, I guess. They did do a lot of buzz flights over Guatemala City, and then the earthquake of '76 sort of deflated all of that saber rattling. That drives my interest in doing the "Dogfight Double" with the T-33 and Harrier GR-3. I liked the personal insignia of "Beech Buggy" on the GR-3 with the dune buggy on the tail. Tnarg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The olde (first gen) Harrier is not only a purposeful looking aircraft in any of its many guises (from AV-8A style to Shar), but I suspect those T-33s and imaginary Mirages would have taken an intensely purposeful shredding from those 30mm ADENS and its agility even without the benefit of AIM-9Ls (which they could also carry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnarg Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Probably a lot worse than the A-4's that the Argentines had. War is not fun, especially on the lower tech side. Tnarg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Probably a lot worse than the A-4's that the Argentines had. War is not fun, especially on the lower tech side. Tnarg You have to admire their guts for the sea skimming bomb runs in the A-4s. If the bombs had the proper fuses, a couple of more ships would have been lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I don't think I've read of anything but respect for the Argentines in any of the first hand accounts of the air war by the RN and RAF pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerrob Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hi all, Big thanks to all of you who responded! I terminated the Falkland Harrier plan and decided to build my F/A18D first and see whats left over and try to update the Hasegawa F18. But most likely it will be build out of the box with Swiss decals on it. I don't wanna spend a lot of time/money on a cheap kit, and when it Looks like an F18 with Swiss decals, it is a Swiss F18, good enough for me since it will end up on top of a large cabinet! Thanks again, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 just a side note I have a gr3 resin nose I mastered several years ago as well as the sea harrier vac formed nose conversion in my range so they can be done from the original gr1- AV-8a kit. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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